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Police & Firemen Look On As Man Drowns Off CA Coast

Posted June 1, 2011 5:24pm by

Rescuer workers are paid to save lives. But now fire and police personnel in Alameda, California are struggling to explain why they let a man drown on Monday.

It’s a strange case. Here’s what we know for sure: The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself.

Police and fire units were on hand at the scene but did nothing. Instead of attempting a rescue, police and fireman stood on the shoreline and watched with a crowd of about 75 people that had gathered.

Further confounding things, after the man had died, rescue workers didn’t even go into the surf to recruit Zack’s body. Instead they recruited a passer-by to do it for them.

Here’s where the mess begins. Rescue workers are claiming they didn’t have the proper water certifications to perform the rescue and if they had they would have been open to a lawsuit. “We’re not trained to go into the water, obviously the type of gear that we have on, we don’t have the type of equipment that you would use to go into the water,” Alameda Police Lt. Joe McNiff said, reports ABC7.

The water was too shallow for the Coast Guard boats, and their rescue helicopter was on another call.

City officials, however, are sticking to the story that budget cuts are to blame. Fire officials are beginning to look into why Alameda, an island city near Oakland, does not have the ability to save people in danger in the water.

“Well, if I was off duty I would know what I would do, but I think you’re asking me my on-duty response and I would have to stay within our policies and procedures because that’s what’s required by our department to do,” Alameda Fire Div. Chief Ricci Zombeck said when asked by ABC7 if he would enter the water to save a drowning child.

Is this what regulations, litigations and budget cuts have done to the simple act of saving a man’s life? Granted, by all indications the man was trying to commit suicide, so mission accomplished on that end. But what if the person was simply a normal man drowning? What if it was a small child? Aren’t the same restrictions in play? If you answer the call of being a rescue worker, how can you in good faith stand idly by as a man dies? Isn’t this not only against a code of public safety officials but against whatever moral code to which you subscribe? That’s truly baffling.

How does that make any sense in any society? There’s really no solid, concrete explanation to justify their actions. At the end of the day, budget cuts and lawsuits and regulations can easily be ignored by the powers that be under the auspices of saving a man’s life.

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Posted June 1, 2011 5:24pm






  • annemarie

    If these persons are willing to give their life to save someone, then why wasn’t one of them willing to give their job and save this poor soul. I’d fire the whole department, from top to bottom. My son is a first responder in Pittsburgh and trained in water rescue. I would be ashamed if I had raised him to stand by and watch someone die because of bureaucracy.
    This is pathetic. The whole city should be ashamed and shunned. STAY AWAY FROM ALAMEDA

    • Sickand tired

      Seriously , you every one of you that vote against your public safety workers, or even those of you that just don’t care enough to vote are to blame. All of us are now bound by laws you either voted for or not. Do you honestly think these guys wanted to stand there if that’s what truly happened? Call your local officials or just show up to a city council meeting , you’ll see what we are dealing with .And no , it doesn’t matter where you live. Also let’s not even consider the fact this guy was comitting suicide, what’s to say he would not have drug a firefighter under the water. Come on , 100 years of firefighters at an average of over 100 a year die in the line of duty and a suicidal guy and the fireman having thier hands tied by government is what you pay attention too .

  • Rich

    The Police, Fireman, and Politicians in Alameda should be prosecuted for MURDER! I shouldn’t be surprised by this story considering the fact that MOST Californians are mindless, worthless garbage. Everyone who stood there and watched that man drowning and did nothing, should be condemned immediately to the same fate.

  • Stan

    The man wanted to die, and now he’s dead. Big deal. Get over it.

  • http://www.ncrepublic.org Cliff

    And the 75 OTHER people standing there did nothing either?? HELP YOUR NEIGHBOR people! What ever happened to having morals which supersede orders and regulations?

  • Randy

    Sounds like union blackmail to me. A job action to force taxpayers to pay up or else. I bet these guys are making $100K or more a year. Probably would be open to cash offers to help if offered. Fire the bunch and start over with people who are dedicated and willing to protect and serve.

  • Joe

    WTF is wrong with people? I personally had to deal with APD and I can say they are some of the stupidest people ever. Unable to do a simple H& W check so the part about the police failing to do something does not surprise me at all. However Alameda fire dept has really taken a back step to the police. How any of you can stand around with your dick between your legs like a scared dog because you have not had the training is beyond me. As far as I am concern you use this mans like to make a statement about the lack of money in your dept. Get over it and do the right thing.
    I am also confuse to why 75 people Non police and fire can stand around and not help. That is total BS. I’ve been that shitty beach someone could have walk out there and talk his ass back in. And I think there is a big 5 someone could have ran in there and got some kind of PFDs for at lease try.. this is so BS and I hope that the family will sue and then you can talk about not having money. FUCK APD/AFD

  • Mark

    Your police and fire departments DO NOT help a suicidal man????!! WHAT!!!???

    THEY WERE NOT HANDCUFFED BY POLICY! What a load of crap! A civilian VOLUNTEER
    had to drag the DEAD man’s body out of the water as the f–king stupid, callous firemen and policeman stood there smoking and chatting about the weather.

    ONE OF THEM could have taken off his shoes and gone out there and led the man to shore. “What if he got violent?” Since WHEN are trained police officers AFRAID OF VIOLENCE? Isn’t that their f–ing job????!!!

    Fire them ALL. And fire the stupid ridiculous MAYOR who is making excuses for them!

  • Carol

    Every one of those people who watched and did nothing contributed to a murder. This was one of those times in life where you decide what kind of person you are, and everyone who stood and did nothing is the lowest form of life. All those police and firemen were standing behind a dollar sign. They can claim “department policy” all they want but it still comes down to the fact they cared more about the dollar than a life!! They are all sewerage. I have deposited better than them in the toilet.


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